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Hubbly Bubbly


Groups of young people smoking the hookah pipe or hubbly bubbly has become a common sight in South Africa. A burning coal is placed on top of flavoured tobacco and the smoke is then filtered through water, before being inhaled through a plastic pipe.

Devi Sankaree Govender (Carte Blanche Medical presenter): 'Like cigarettes, hubbly bubbly smoking knows no boundaries. It has become the in-thing for young people in restaurants, pubs, house parties, [on] street corners, both in suburbs and in townships across South Africa.'

In Riverlea, Johannesburg, there's a surprisingly high rate of smoking according to a recent study by the Medical Research Council.

Prof Angela Mathee (Medical Research Council): 'Just about every second or third street corner there was a group of people of all ages smoking these hookah pipes. The youngest child we saw was two years of age, smoking a hookah pipe with his mother. When we spoke to her, she had absolutely no notion that it might be harming her child. She, in fact, thought the opposite was true - that it is good for his lungs, strengthens his lungs, improves respiratory health, prevents asthma...those [are] the kinds of things she was saying.'

Professor Angela Mathee is co-author of the study which will be published in the South African Medical Journal. She found many myths and misconceptions about hubbly bubblies.

Prof Mathee: 'One young man, for example, showed us the package and said, 'See, it says cherry on here. We are not smoking tobacco, we are smoking cherries. And everyone knows that cherries and other fruit is good for you.''

Of the 200 children they interviewed, 60% smoked hubbly bubbly.

Prof Mathee: 'Amongst groups of children of about seven, eight, 12 years of age, where they couldn't afford to buy a hookah pipe, they were using plastic juice bottles and straws. And to make their own hookah pipes as long [as] they had the discarded internal device. They would then just adapt and engineer their own.'

24-year-old Clifford Ngakane has been smoking hubbly bubbly for six years. He also believed it was harmless, until he read a pamphlet distributed by the MRC.

Clifford Ngakane: 'After that pamphlet I really tried quitting, but then it is difficult because the group that I am in, we smoke on a daily basis; so for me not to do that is to cut aside from my friends. So I'm with my friends daily. When I come from work I catch up with friends and we smoke hookah.'

Devi: 'How many hours do you smoke at a time?'

Clifford: 'One-and-a-half hours, two hours max.'

Prof Mathee: 'A cigarette, on average, will take you seven minutes to smoke. A hookah pipe you can smoke for an hour, two hours - and that's the same as smoking a pack or two, or a hundred cigarettes in one go.'

What's more, the pipe that smokers use is plastic and non-porous, so none of the carbon monoxide is allowed to escape. A recent study in the South African Medical Journal measured levels of carbon monoxide in the blood. Five minutes after smoking, carbon monoxide increased by 40% in cigarette smokers, and by 482% in hubbly smokers.

Prof Mathee: 'And so the volume of carbon monoxide that you take in is huge. And of course carbon monoxide is the same thing you use when you want to commit suicide. You attach a hosepipe to your car's exhaust system and you sit in the car and it is the carbon monoxide that kills you.'

We conducted our own tests at Envirocon Instrumentation, using a portable gas analyser from Japan.

We asked a seasoned cigarette smoker to blow a mouthful of cigarette smoke into a bag. This was then extracted by the machine and showed a sulphur dioxide, or SO2 reading of 6.6 parts per million and a carbon monoxide or CO reading of 300.

We then asked a young hubbly smoker to do the same thing. A bagful of hubbly smoke was attached to the machine and the results were dramatic. The digits continued climbing until the CO levels were out of range - over the limit of 500 - and the Sulphur Dioxide level was 10 parts per million.

Dr Yussuf Saloojee (Executive Director: National Council Against Smoking): 'It's got nicotine in it. It has got carbon monoxide, which is a poison [and] which comes out of motor car exhausts. It has got things like arsenic, which is used as a rat poison. It has got lead. It has got chromium. So it has got most of the dangerous chemicals in tobacco smoke and, as a result, people who use hookahs can get almost all the same diseases that you get from smoking cigarettes.'

Dr Yussuf Saloojee is the executive director of the National Council Against Smoking. He spelt out what those diseases are.

Dr Saloojee: 'A person who uses hookah is at increased risk of getting lung cancer, increased risk of getting bladder cancer and mouth cancers. The same cancers are also caused by cigarette smoking. You are more likely to get heart disease. We know that even after one single session of using a hookah, if you measure people's heart rate you'll see the heart rate has gone up. That's because the nicotine makes the heart work harder.'

But try telling that to a group of teenagers. These 15-year-old boys have been smoking hubbly for years and believe it's safer than cigarettes.

Ryan Seaton: 'To me I'd say that cigarettes are a lot more dangerous than hubbly because on the box for example there is a total between nicotine and tar. On the box, it is 0% tar and 0.5% nicotine, which, in comparison with a cigarette, is a lot more... is a big difference on the box.'

Dr Saloojee: 'There is no tar in cigarettes until you burn it. The tar is produced when you burn it. The same thing is true of hookahs. The hookah tobacco doesn't have tar in it, but the minute you burn it, you will cause cancer-causing chemicals and other things that is called tar - the same tar that you find on the roads.'

Also misleading is the nicotine content of 0.5% per kg. The box weighs 50g, so the nicotine content is 250mg - 15 times more than a box of cigarettes.

Devi: 'What's so great about sitting around and doing this?'

Jason Cowie: 'It doesn't really have a negative effect because if everyone is doing it then why should it be so bad for me to do it as well?'

Devi: 'So do you think that there are any negative side effects at all?'

Jason: 'Of course there are negative side effects. The thing is, it is not as bad as alcohol or cigarettes or whatever like that.'

Devi: 'And when did you start doing the hubbly?'

Matthew Crawford: 'I started a year ago.'

Devi: 'How old are you now?'

Matthew: 'I am 15... I started when I was 14.'

Devi: 'And how did it start?'

Matthew: 'At parties. I just saw the hubbly there and people said it wasn't bad so I tried to pull, liked the flavour, so I just started smoking it.'

Hubbly tobacco comes in every flavour imaginable - all of them sweet and fruity, making the taste more palatable to children. And because the smoke is filtered through water, it also makes the inhalation much smoother on the throat and lungs.

Sally Thorp (Head: Life Talk): 'There's this misconception that water is going to filter out the 'nasties'. But there are other harmful chemicals that are created through the burning of the coal that we are then going to be inhaling into our lungs.'

Sally Thorp is the Head of Life Talk, a forum that deals with the many challenges facing parents and children today. She believes hubbly smoking is very widespread.

Sally: 'It's becoming a bigger issue as well because younger siblings... we have seen a photograph of a three-year-old smoking hubbly! And then teens... we got an email from a teen saying it is so funny, because she blows instead of sucks.'

But Sally believes that parents, as well as children, need to be educated.

Sally: 'And at many of our talks we say, 'Show of hands, please, parents, who would give their child a packet of cigarettes to smoke in an afternoon?' And they're absolutely aghast and horrified: 'Of course we wouldn't!' 'But you're letting them smoke hubbly. Why?''

Devi: 'If we told you that smoking hubbly could give you lung cancer, would you stop?'

Ryan: 'I wouldn't say I'd stop now... I'm still a bit young.'

Jason: 'It raises a thought in my head because my grandfather died of cancer. It raises a thought, but it won't stop me from smoking hubbly.'

Devi: 'The perception that hubbly bubblies are safer than cigarettes extends to restaurants as well. Some restaurants offer hubbly bubblies to their patrons, even though they don't have designated smoking areas, thereby completely flouting anti-smoking laws.'

Dr Saloojee: 'You cannot use the hookah in an enclosed public place, just as you can't sell tobacco to anybody under the age of 18 years. That is illegal and it is punishable by a fine of R50000. The sad thing about South Africa is that parents are buying the tobacco and then giving their children the tobacco - and that's illegal.'


IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER:
While every attempt has been made to ensure this transcript or summary is accurate, Carte Blanche or its agents cannot be held liable for any claims arising out of inaccuracies caused by human error or electronic fault. This transcript was typed from a transcription recording unit and not from an original script, so due to the possibility of mishearing and the difficulty, in some cases, of identifying individual speakers, errors cannot be ruled out.
Comments
Anonymous 19:20 - 15 Mar 10
Anonymous
How many people died of hookah and how many died of cigarettes? Why don't you tell the people that?
   
Anonymous 20:35 - 15 Mar 10
Anonymous
most common misconception is that it is harmless.my wife and I used to smoke-we smoke bubbly now and we feel allot better.It is not harmless but agree with the previous comment,where are the stats?
   
Caeden 20:36 - 15 Mar 10
Caeden
I would like to know exactly what the difference between molasses and tobacco is, and how passive smokers are affected by hubbly smoke. What is the comparrison between cigarettes, hubbly and e-cigarette as many smokers hesitate to move from cigerettes to the new e-cigarette as they say it is just as bad for you as a cigerette, if not worse??
   
Anonymous 20:36 - 15 Mar 10
Anonymous
Easy way to determine is to analyse statistics from Middle Eastern countries where it is smoked perhaps the most in the world.
   
Anonymous 23:04 - 15 Mar 10
Anonymous
Quite disappointed with this standard of journalism.
   
Anonymous 08:12 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Why is it bad journalism simply because you don't agree?
   
Anonymous 08:23 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
fantastiese storie!!!! ek is ñ onderwys student en ek vir ñ klas vertel hoe gevaarlik dit is om hubbely bubbely te rook. en hulle het my uit gelag. baie dankie vir die mediese storie, a coetzer.
   
Grantie 08:30 - 16 Mar 10
Grantie
How many have died from hookah compared to cigarettes? First answer how many have died from cigarettes? Ask yourself how many people smoke cigarettes vs Hookah and for how many decades. Ridiculous argument! As an ex smoker, hookah smokers are no different. They will make every excuse under the sun to justify their addiction. Smoke the thing, and enjoy it, but at least be honest with yourself. It's a deadly addiction and there is no argument around that.
   
Anonymous 08:37 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
so often people send the first 40 years of their lives messing it up with all sorts of bad habits including smoking, and then you expect the doctors to cure you once you get the diseases years later.
   
Anonymous 08:54 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
I'm a hubbly smoker and it seems to me that the burning coal is the problem. Try to use a heating element to heat the molasses and do the tests again.
   
Anonymous 09:39 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
A big THANK YOU to Carte Blanche on the Hubbly Bubbly story. I made my 11 year old son watch and it was a huge eye opener for him. Kids seldom believe us parents warnings, but he'll think twice now.
   
Anonymous 11:00 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
just because the youth is doing it, you people with YOUR ethics feel that this is wrong. when you were younger you did things your elders didn't approve of. leave the youth alone like you wanted to be
   
Anonymous 11:50 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Dear Sir/Madam Leeu-Gamka Primary school would like to have a copy of your programme on Hubbly Bubbly. Contact Nico Mans, if this is possible. telefax 023 5212 049/njmansie@gmail.com.
   
Anonymous 12:10 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Thank you so much for informing us. People always want to learn the hard way, but why would you go and investigate on a useless topic. This is usefull infor. and i take it to heart. Thank you.
   
Anonymous 12:11 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Bottom line people, you are inhaling smoke.. who cares where it comes from... Its not a natural thing to do... and if like "smoked" lung... well then please continue..... but do so in your own space.
   
Anonymous 12:41 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Why do people who know nothing about health question the medics who know what they talking about and prove it,just to make themselves feel better about their stupid brainless actions. WAKE UP SMOKERS
   
Anonymous 12:49 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Can i just say that in a hub u put maybe 20 grams of tobacco it makes no sense that 20 g of the shisha tabbacco can be equivelent to 200 ciggeretes
   
hitch24 13:01 - 16 Mar 10
hitch24
This report on hubbly was sensationalized and poorly researched. I am a hubbly smoker and i know its bad for me but not nearly as bad as it was made out to be. This report was full of holes and highly inaccurate.
   
Anonymous 13:09 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
There are no statistical facts about how many people have died from Hubbly. Im 20 and started smoking hubbly @ 13. I am very active and smoke hub at least 3 hours daily. Surely i would notice effects?
   
Anonymous 13:26 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Take a look at this web site: http://www.wesleyan.edu/weswell/docs/drugs/The%20latest%20on%20Hookahs.pdf I know it's old, but the facts speak for itself.
   
Anonymous 13:57 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
Hubbly is awsome its not adictive I have stopped for 2 years just to proove someone wrong and I never crave it. Its just a social enjoyable thing that we do. Whats wrong with that
   
Tempname 14:28 - 16 Mar 10
Tempname
If you think that hubbly smoke is less damaging than cigarette smoke, then link to scientific paper that shares this conclusion. Double blind and peer reviewed published papers always carry the most weight. @13:09 I've been smoking cigarettes for 12 years now with no ill effects. Does this mean that cigarettes are not bad for me? Ofcourse not! It's a health RISK. Emphasis on risk. Chances are better than average that I will die of a smoking related disease. Your chances are simply higher.
   
Tempname 14:34 - 16 Mar 10
Tempname
No problem if you smoke hubbly. It's a choice you make. But to promote it as "safe" or "safer than cigarettes" in the absence of scientific proof is blatantly lying. you can say that you don't know if it is dangerous, use at own risk. Or you can say that some studies show it to be more dangerous than cigarttes. But, unless you can furnish scientific proof for the statement that it's "safe" or "safer than cigarettes" you cannot say that it is. You're putting other people's lives at risk by lieing
   
Grantie 15:48 - 16 Mar 10
Grantie
Hitch24 wrote: "This report on hubbly was sensationalized and poorly researched. I am a hubbly smoker and i know its bad for me but not nearly as bad as it was made out to be. This report was full of holes and highly inaccurate." How can you make an accusation like this without any references to back your statement up. My guess is that you have no evidence to back up a word of it.
   
Anonymous 21:30 - 16 Mar 10
Anonymous
If I go parashooting its a risk, yes? So same counts for the hubly. there short and sweet!
   
hitch24 18:46 - 17 Mar 10
hitch24
@ Granti: The main reason i did not back up my claim is that there are too many points for the 500 characters they provide us to comment with but il bring up a few points of interest: 1) When conducting the smoke test there was complete disregard for the density of the smoke which is clearly obvious as the smoke in the hubly bag was far thicker. This itself would elevate the parts per million reading. 2) What coals were being used? some give off nasty chemicals, others are purely natural.
   
hitch24 18:56 - 17 Mar 10
hitch24
3) What flavours were used? some have preservatives some have natural flavouring. 4) The smoke test was done using two smokers of different ages, different lung capacities, different amount of time spent smoking. There was no consistency in the test. 5) Was it taken into account that nicotine is water soluble? 6) If nicotine content is much higher than cigarettes how is it that (in my experience) hubbly is not addictive. i can smoke every day for a week and go 2 weeks without smoking.
   
hitch24 19:03 - 17 Mar 10
hitch24
those are just a few points off the top of my head. I am by no means trying to disprove anything. If there was a proper scientific unbiased study done with all variables considered which proved hubly is as bad as they say it is then i will stand corrected.
   
Anonymous 06:53 - 18 Mar 10
Anonymous
Hubbly smoker here for 8 years now. If anything this article will make me go and do my own research and decide for myself. Knowledge is the key here. Don't defend what you don't know a lot about.
   
Matty1234098 13:34 - 18 Mar 10
Matty1234098
I am an avid hubbly smoker, and have been for 5 years, i am also an athlete and have yet to see any detrmental effects of smoking hubbly. The main purpose of this article is very apparent, to scare and terrify smokers. They have accomplished this by doing the bare minimum research aswell. It would be in the interest of many veiwers and readers to see comprehensive proof and statistics of the effects of smoking hubbly e.g comparative deaths and health issues between cigarettes and hubbly bubbly!
   
Anonymous 19:01 - 18 Mar 10
Anonymous
The web address for the SAMJ article about dramatic increases in blood carbon monoxide levels among hookah users (compared with cigarette smokers) is: http://www.samj.org.za/index.php/samj/article/vie
   
Anonymous 19:10 - 18 Mar 10
Anonymous
The research was conducted by: Lung Unit, Department of Internal Medicine, Steve Biko Academic Hospital, and School of Medicine, University of Pretoria Consider yourseld corrected!
   
Anonymous 09:52 - 19 Mar 10
Anonymous
I feel that these test need to be done differently, hubbly is dangerous and we know that but i'm a sportmans i exercise regularly and i'm still able to preform the same as someone who doesn't.
   
Anonymous 16:11 - 19 Mar 10
Anonymous
The point is quite simple.. Hubly isnt healthy..maybe worse than maybe not as bad as cigarettes just do what you want but be prepared to suffer the consequences.
   
Anonymous 17:15 - 24 Mar 10
Anonymous
After doing some reading, I've found this site clarifying all questions related to hookah smoking: http://knol.google.com/k/hookah-smoking-from-a-biomedical-and-anthropological-perspective#Diseases
   
MonitaFallera 21:45 - 01 Apr 10
MonitaFallera
Pr Yussuf Saloojee wrote in 2009 : "It is only after the advent of cigarettes that the epidemic of tobacco-related diseases took off. Previously, people had used snuff, cigars and pipes for 500 years with comparative safety (Res Adv Alcohol Drug Problems. 1976;3:1–47)" Source is world journal of antismokers: Saloojee Y. A doomed dinosaur. Tobacco Control 2009;18:4 http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/18/1/4.1 So what, 5 centuries old Hubbly Bubbly not a "Pipe", Mr Saloojee ?
   
MonitaFallera 21:47 - 01 Apr 10
MonitaFallera
Pr Yussuf Saloojee wrote in 2009 : "It is only after the advent of cigarettes that the epidemic of tobacco-related diseases took off. Previously, people had used snuff, cigars and pipes for 500 years with comparative safety (Res Adv Alcohol Drug Problems. 1976;3:1–47)" Source is world journal of antismokers: Saloojee Y. A doomed dinosaur. Tobacco Control 2009;18:4 http://tobaccocontrol.bmj.com/content/18/1/4.1 So what, 5 centuries old Hubbly Bubbly not a "Pipe", Mr Saloojee ?
   
Anonymous 11:36 - 14 Apr 10
Anonymous
The Hubbly Bubbly clip should be shown at all schools.
   
Anonymous 18:57 - 22 Apr 10
Anonymous
I have been smoking hubbly casually for several years now but have never experienced any addictive effects and nicotine "kick" , as in ciggarettes, creating a false affirmation that hubbly is harmless
   
Anonymous 13:51 - 20 May 10
Anonymous
A Wise man learns from others mistakes and a Fool from his own mistakes. So yes leave the youth alone and let them do as they please, But at what cost and whose expense?
   
Anonymous 18:35 - 20 May 10
Anonymous
ek rook al hubble vir lank en kry ok nooit n kick nie gan toets dit met n aner hiter as daai koolkie en kyk of die toetse nog steets so erg is
   
Anonymous 12:45 - 16 Aug 10
Anonymous
Will it be posible for you to give more info to the public regarding unfair dismissals e.g. how many times can a contract be renewed? When does the lwa sees you as a permanent employee e.g. Louise
   
Anonymous 12:32 - 20 Aug 10
Anonymous
WOuld like to bring up to the fact that I also agree this was poorly done and there are no facts shown here.Also want to bring up there are loads of ways to pack a hubly so there are alot of veriables
   

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